what are everyones thoughts on human cloning??

[EK_Hatchy]

okay this might sound wierd or retarded, but hopefully it will make enough sense for you guys to understand my train of thought...

first of all let me just say that i believe in God, a higher power that created the universe and all of mankind. therefore, i belive that humans are created with souls that will go on to some type of afterlife after death. with that said, if scientists cloned a human being, technically wouldn't the human, according to the existence of God, not have a soul?? scientists may be able to create a human body that can think, breathe, and live, but would the person be different than a regular human?? This is very confusting when you think about it!

this post is not another arguement on religious beliefs, i'm just wondering what others beliefs and thoughts on human cloning are... :D

[redVTEC92]

That all depends on who is allowed to do the cloning, and what limitations are placed on cloning. I think its a very dicey issue, because if the technology gets into the wrong hands, all hell could break loose

[infrar3d]

i belive in God, but i don't condone cloning. i think its just a bunch of rish old men tryin to BE God when they can't be.

and yes i think that the clone wouldn't have a soul, or who knows, maybe God had a reason for it. i'm not tryin to start a religious dispute(knowing that HHU is well known for'em) but through MY view's thats wha :wink: :wink:

[FiveOGT]

What is a Soul?

I think most people say its like a spirit or something.
I believe that there is no such thing as a spirit of ourselves. Once we die, we die, thats it. If everyone was so into the great "afterlife" in "heaven" then why are you still alive? Why not just get to it since it so much better right? people weren't created to die. It's because of Adam and Eve sin's that we die; were supposed to live forever, hence no afterlife.

If humans were cloned, they would be just like you and me, you wouldnt be able to tell the difference. IMO...

[Anonymous]

This is a very sensitive subject. I rather not think that once we die, thats it. I really hope thats not the case, but sometimes i feel its the only answer. I do believe in that there is some higher force.
Just think to yourself, something had to create us. It coudn't just been there. Something had to cause it. These are all questions that must be answered.

What about cases were there are ghosts and shit? Can you explain that?
There is stuff in life that no one understands.

[lunchb0x]

I dont believe that cloning ppl is good, but i do believe that cloning body parts is! i mean if u could clone a new kidney or lung for someone who is sick or was in an accident that would begreat! just picture it no more wheel chair ramps and dimembered war veterens. I mean ppl pretty much live for ever now anyhow...with mechanical hearts and organs. Look at the human heart, it has X amount of beats in someones life, but now they can beat for ever...so u can technikaly live forever. so to break down what i said...cloning bad cloning organs good !

[GTPimp]

Cloning whole humans is 100% wrong. Who says who gets cloned? Do you want 2 JpCT's whoring up the board? (Its always safe to throw a dig on him in a topic he won't read) Can our economy afford another Bill Gates? Just some things to think about.

If you can clone me a new liver and lungs, I'm gonna need those so that would be cool! I'm sure HHU doesn't want 2 of me. :lol:

In seriousness, why would we want to clone? The beauty in the human race is the tremendous variety that exists. If you start producing multiples of the same, the gene pool will be reduced rather than diversified. It may be helpful to weed out some genetic diseases, but I don't even approve of that. Because of our scientific abilities, we are taking over the planet and destroying it at an ever increasing rate. If people don't die from illness or old age, it won't take long till all you can do is shit on each other cause there is no place to live. Urbanity will spread everywhere. Granted, that could take another 100-250 years, but that is an incredibly short time frame when you consider the existance of the Earth and then man.

Diversity is our key to success, don't curtail it.

[poweredbyhonda17]

clone em' if ya got em'

[Strider]

Let me start this by saying that I don't believe or disbelieve in God, souls, ghosts, spirits, etc.. and I'm not for or against cloning. That being said, on with the post.

First off, cloning is a natural procces within nature. It occurs all of the time with plants. Potatoes, grass, onions, and strawberries all clone themselves by means of a modified stem called a runner that the plant sends out and takes root where it stops, forming a newly cloned plant. I know plants aren't human, but it is something to think about.

Clones won't have souls? So you're saying that since a dude rams his woman with his manhood, shoots a wad in her love tunnel, then a tadpole from that wad fuses with the females egg (thus starting the process of human creation) that that's the only way a soul can be infused within a human being? Is this because it's considered "natural'?

Or does the nucleous of the donor egg that's removed during cloning contain the soul, and that's the reasoning behind your theory that clones won't have a soul? :lol:

Since the creation process is done a little differently, (ok, a lot differently, but that isn't the point) you think that your God will deny the newly formed human being a soul?

[FiveOGT]

You all remember Jurassic Park right? Remember all the chaos? You know what people can do. Imagine all the more ridiculous things that would happen...

[JDMWrX]

[quote="lunchb0x"]I dont believe that cloning ppl is good, but i do believe that cloning body parts is! i mean if u could clone a new kidney or lung for someone who is sick or was in an accident that would begreat! just picture it no more wheel chair ramps and dimembered war veterens. I mean ppl pretty much live for ever now anyhow...with mechanical hearts and organs. Look at the human heart, it has X amount of beats in someones life, but now they can beat for ever...so u can technikaly live forever. so to break down what i said...cloning bad cloning organs good ![/quote

Our world would be overpopulated if people lived forever

[00CIVICvp]

If I could have 2 or possibly even 3 clones of my girlfriend at home with me that would be ok... :D

We could all benefit from cloning in alot of different ways. I would say the main reason I would like to see it would be for animals that are or close to being extinct, or for the food market, Cows, chickens, etc....

[infrar3d]

First off, cloning is a natural procces within nature. It occurs all of the time with plants. Potatoes, grass, onions, and strawberries all clone themselves by means of a modified stem called a runner that the plant sends out and takes root where it stops, forming a newly cloned plant. I know plants aren't human, but it is something to think about.

first off, your wrong due to the fact that plants all have DIFERENT dna strands and have different coding, in other words no 2 plants are exactly the same. to us they look the same but in actuallity the dna coding is different form the 2 that crimes have been solved using the dna from a PLANT!!!therefore plants are not all the same, none of them are the same.with that i am done. :wink:

any questions??

[El Jefe]

First off, cloning is a natural procces within nature. It occurs all of the time with plants. Potatoes, grass, onions, and strawberries all clone themselves by means of a modified stem called a runner that the plant sends out and takes root where it stops, forming a newly cloned plant. I know plants aren't human, but it is something to think about.

first off, your wrong due to the fact that plants all have DIFERENT dna strands and have different coding, in other words no 2 plants are exactly the same. to us they look the same but in actuallity the dna coding is different form the 2 that crimes have been solved using the dna from a PLANT!!!therefore plants are not all the same, none of them are the same.with that i am done. :wink:

any questions??i believe they are different in different species. i thought asexual offspring are identical in dna? and dont twins have the same dna?

[96gsr]

and dont twins have the same dna?

In plants, I do not know. In people, twins have do have the same dna, if they are identical twins. I have a twin, but we are ferternal, so our dna is different.

[Strider]

First off, cloning is a natural procces within nature. It occurs all of the time with plants. Potatoes, grass, onions, and strawberries all clone themselves by means of a modified stem called a runner that the plant sends out and takes root where it stops, forming a newly cloned plant. I know plants aren't human, but it is something to think about.

first off, your wrong due to the fact that plants all have DIFERENT dna strands and have different coding, in other words no 2 plants are exactly the same. to us they look the same but in actuallity the dna coding is different form the 2 that crimes have been solved using the dna from a PLANT!!!therefore plants are not all the same, none of them are the same.with that i am done. :wink:

any questions??

First off, I'm right. I'm not saying all plants, but I made a list above of the ones that do it. How is the DNA going to change when the runner sprouts from the original strawberry plant and the runner takes root and makes a new strawberry plant? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

Asexual reproduction (without sex) produces offspring that are genetically identical to the single parent organism.

[integr8]

Cloning parts I can see. They cant fix our organs now but somehow they can clone them or grow them in test tubes. Thats fucked up right there. That tells us were ahead of ourselves big time and maybe were messing with an area that maybe we shouldnt be screwing with yet. I guess whatever gets us ahead, replacement organs could save tons of people. Cloning whole humans....I suppose thats ok. Im not saying clone a bunch of soldiers or workers or something but choosing to clone yourself because you cant have kids or something.....I guess thatd be alright. There would definitely have to be a ton of very strict rules to keep us from crossing any drastic moral or scienticif boundries.

Cloning animals is the only one I totally agree with. First because it would be cool to bring back extinct species or strengthen endangered species and whatnot. I think thats ok because it would be more like us making amends rather than us "screwing with nature" because were responsible for the destruction and extinction of alot of shit in the first place.

What Im really concerned with and think we should focus on instead is ourselves first. We only use what....3% of our freeking brains? Thats sad. Were totally not ready to be fucking with the moral responsabilities of cloning and shit. Hell, most people cant handle the responsability of everyday household technology or fast food yet! Why do you think in the last decade or so weve suddenly discovered that millions and millions of us are lazy overweight couch potatoes with remote controls and "mental illnesses" and so many preservites in our food so we only have to go shopping once a month because were too lazy to drive. Yeah, we dont have the mental, moral, or what I guess youd call "spiritual" responsability to be focusing on anything else just yet. I think we should all become monks for a couple of generations and once we become more "enlightened" then we can handle the responsability of cloning, ect. I really think Humans have SOOO much more potential than most people can even comprehend but what drags us down is that we have a real nack for ignorance and irresponsability. Thats my 2 cents. :D

[El Jefe]

Im not saying clone a bunch of soldiers

ok, no more star wars for you :D

[GTPimp]

Cloning parts I can see. They cant fix our organs now but somehow they can clone them or grow them in test tubes. Thats fucked up right there. That tells us were ahead of ourselves big time and maybe were messing with an area that maybe we shouldnt be screwing with yet. I guess whatever gets us ahead, replacement organs could save tons of people. Cloning whole humans....I suppose thats ok. Im not saying clone a bunch of soldiers or workers or something but choosing to clone yourself because you cant have kids or something.....I guess thatd be alright. There would definitely have to be a ton of very strict rules to keep us from crossing any drastic moral or scienticif boundries.

Cloning animals is the only one I totally agree with. First because it would be cool to bring back extinct species or strengthen endangered species and whatnot. I think thats ok because it would be more like us making amends rather than us "screwing with nature" because were responsible for the destruction and extinction of alot of shit in the first place.

What Im really concerned with and think we should focus on instead is ourselves first. We only use what....3% of our freeking brains? Thats sad. Were totally not ready to be fucking with the moral responsabilities of cloning and shit. Hell, most people cant handle the responsability of everyday household technology or fast food yet! Why do you think in the last decade or so weve suddenly discovered that millions and millions of us are lazy overweight couch potatoes with remote controls and "mental illnesses" and so many preservites in our food so we only have to go shopping once a month because were too lazy to drive. Yeah, we dont have the mental, moral, or what I guess youd call "spiritual" responsability to be focusing on anything else just yet. I think we should all become monks for a couple of generations and once we become more "enlightened" then we can handle the responsability of cloning, ect. I really think Humans have SOOO much more potential than most people can even comprehend but what drags us down is that we have a real nack for ignorance and irresponsability. Thats my 2 cents. :D

FYI: The 3% of the brain thing is innaccurate. We use our whole brain, just not nearly at its capacity for processing. Its like playing PS1 games on PS2.

As far as the argument for cloning because other organisms do it: I highly doubt that we are going to be overriden with hydra anytime soon. IF you do it with humans the Earth will be FUCKED!

[Strider]

As far as the argument for cloning because other organisms do it: I highly doubt that we are going to be overriden with hydra anytime soon. IF you do it with humans the Earth will be FUCKED!

I wasn't saying we should clone because other organisms do. I was mearly trying to suggest that cloning wasn't as unnatural as most people thought. The way humans do it may be unnatural, but I'm talking about the idea, not the process of it. Just food for thought. I wasn't trying to debate whether it's wrong or right.

[El Jefe]

just a thought with cloning:

in advanced science, there will be a time when the brain will be transplantable. If this is the case (along with memory) imagine having your brain transplanted into a younger, newer body of you? you would be 'immortal' - so to speak.

the scary thing is, this technology isnt that far off...

[GTPimp]

^^^That would probabably be the only way that we could maximize our brain capacity. Imagine being 800 years old experience/mental wise, and 21 physically. That would be dope! I could talk any chick out her pants and it would still be legit to bone 18 year olds.

[Willmatic1]

Cloning animals is the only one I totally agree with. First because it would be cool to bring back extinct species or strengthen endangered species and whatnot. I think thats ok because it would be more like us making amends rather than us "screwing with nature" because were responsible for the destruction and extinction of alot of shit in the first place. :D

Why would you want to bring back extinct species? They are extinct for a reason, they could not survive any longer because the world was changing. Bringing them back would just disrupt the natural balance nature created for us, by making animals extinct and creating new species. I think cloning for medical purposes is good, but that's it, because it's not really trying to play God because you're just doing whatever it takes to survive.

[Strider]

Cloning animals is the only one I totally agree with. First because it would be cool to bring back extinct species or strengthen endangered species and whatnot. I think thats ok because it would be more like us making amends rather than us "screwing with nature" because were responsible for the destruction and extinction of alot of shit in the first place. :D

Why would you want to bring back extinct species? They are extinct for a reason, they could not survive any longer because the world was changing. Bringing them back would just disrupt the natural balance nature created for us, by making animals extinct and creating new species. I think cloning for medical purposes is good, but that's it, because it's not really trying to play God because you're just doing whatever it takes to survive.

I think he meant animals made extinct by man's ignorant actions.

I believe man has already disrupted the fuck out of the original natural balance.

[briz]

^^^even though i dont agree with u on eveything, u seem like one smart dude, i feel as i am gettin smarter reading your big words and such haha n e ways, cloning is bad :lol:

[EK_Hatchy]

Clones won't have souls? So you're saying that since a dude rams his woman with his manhood, shoots a wad in her love tunnel, then a tadpole from that wad fuses with the females egg (thus starting the process of human creation) that that's the only way a soul can be infused within a human being? Is this because it's considered "natural'?

Or does the nucleous of the donor egg that's removed during cloning contain the soul, and that's the reasoning behind your theory that clones won't have a soul? :lol:



I don't think a human's soul is inside the egg at all, i believe that each human being is created by God and that he allows you to be born into the world by natural reproduction through sex, which he created as the natural way to reproduce. He gives us a soul. Now if man creates himself, how does God play a part in the process? he doesn't, it is man's creation through science, not natural reproduction. I mean, what right do we as humans have to copy God's creation and call it our own creation?? I don't think we have to right to mess with that stuff.

[preludeSI87]

I think that cloning humans is inevitable. While it has it upsides for instance saving lives through medical science (It is most likely impossible to weed out all dieases and viruses. Viruses evolve and adapt the same way humans do so overpopulation wouldn't be too much of a problem until we melt the polar ice caps with global warming and the coast lines start moving in on us.)

On the downside if human cloning gets in the hands of evil it could be devasting to us.(If the genetics of a human could be figured out and minipulated you could have super soldiers.)

The most important questions however, the question that needs to be answered before we even think about attempting human cloning is: "Who even eligible, moral, and knowledgable to decide about the aspects of human cloning?"

[sillievo]

fine by me as long as they are not "conditioned" cloning.

[Boostaholic]

i think limited cloning would be good to further our understanding of genetics, and genetic engineering. also i dont belive in a Godly power thats just a astrial being, maybe a higher power as in a more advanced life form but they would have came about the same was as we did in a great game of chance.

also if we were to compair lets say me with a clone of me in a tottaly made up cloned earth in a diferent althou exactly the same dimension that was made at the exact time i was conceived, and went through the exact same life as me and tommarow i walk through a disturbance in time/space right into his dimension and accidently meet him, he would be exactly the same as me, and would be wearing exacly the same clothes

(technicly this is impossible because as i walked through the disturbance in time/space so would he [because we would be doing the exact same thing] and we would just switch dimensions without even seeing each other)

[Strider]

Clones won't have souls? So you're saying that since a dude rams his woman with his manhood, shoots a wad in her love tunnel, then a tadpole from that wad fuses with the females egg (thus starting the process of human creation) that that's the only way a soul can be infused within a human being? Is this because it's considered "natural'?

Or does the nucleous of the donor egg that's removed during cloning contain the soul, and that's the reasoning behind your theory that clones won't have a soul? :lol:



I don't think a human's soul is inside the egg at all, i believe that each human being is created by God and that he allows you to be born into the world by natural reproduction through sex, which he created as the natural way to reproduce. He gives us a soul. Now if man creates himself, how does God play a part in the process? he doesn't, it is man's creation through science, not natural reproduction. I mean, what right do we as humans have to copy God's creation and call it our own creation?? I don't think we have to right to mess with that stuff.

Seems to me that the creation of a human being is for mans doing, and the creation of a soul for that human being is for Gods doing.

Since the creation process is done a little differently, (ok, a lot differently, but that isn't the point) you think that your God will deny the newly formed human being a soul?

[integr8]

Cloning animals is the only one I totally agree with. First because it would be cool to bring back extinct species or strengthen endangered species and whatnot. I think thats ok because it would be more like us making amends rather than us "screwing with nature" because were responsible for the destruction and extinction of alot of shit in the first place. :D

Why would you want to bring back extinct species? They are extinct for a reason, they could not survive any longer because the world was changing. Bringing them back would just disrupt the natural balance nature created for us, by making animals extinct and creating new species. I think cloning for medical purposes is good, but that's it, because it's not really trying to play God because you're just doing whatever it takes to survive.

I think he meant animals made extinct by man's ignorant actions.

I believe man has already disrupted the fuck out of the original natural balance.

Exactly :D

[Anonymous]

True, we're pretty close to reaching the carrying capacity of the Earth, and unless we do something about it, we're all gonna be dead. :o

[Roadside Prophet]

alright i didnt read every single post so i dont know if someone went over this, plants and humans arent different

i believe in evolution
and mammals and all other "living" species and plants and all those all started out kinda the same way
if you think about it, the only reason y amimals can walk and breath is because we need that to survive, we need to be able to move around so that we can get our food to live, plants dont need that, the cells that plants started from figured out that they could just sit there and collect sunlight and survive that way. so both things are just doing all they need to do to survive and nothing more
humans are just filled with this useless emotion that fucks us up and that why we are screwing the planet.
humans have no purpose on earth, but all other animals in the ecosystem do, without us the world would be a beautiful place




hopefully someone can make sense of that

[integr8]

I dont agree with evolution but the rest is dead on. Like Agent Smith said in the Matrix "humans are a virus". Thats true, but not because we are naturally but because we make stupid choices and are extreamely irresponsable. We "could" be contributing members of the ecosystem if we really tried and live in total harmony with our environment. Its even more fucked up that we come to America and destroy the perfect way of life if the American indians....who actually lived as closely to a human/environmental balance as you can. Now we have all of them living as wastfull lives as we do and building massive casinos that rival our worst accomplishments. Sad. :(

[SR20DET Dat510]

^^^even though i dont agree with u on eveything, u seem like one smart dude, i feel as i am gettin smarter reading your big words and such haha n e ways, cloning is bad :lol:

Im with you dude cloning is bad just for the fact that theres to many big words to comprehend oooo see im even using the bloody things now :P lol :D

[Roadside Prophet]

i've always wanted to escape society and live in peace with the world but there arent many places left to do that

[UndergroundR32]

I've always wanted to clone hot dogs. Imagine the possibilties. Think about it...... An endless amount of hot dogs. They would be so abundant, we would soon use them as currency.... Depending on the strength of the yen.

[Roadside Prophet]

fuck cloning hot dogs





FUCKING CLONE MIDGETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we could have a fucking army of them
OH MY GOD
im a king
everyone bow to me for thinking of cloning midgets
midgets would be a household thing

[UndergroundR32]

Someone had the idea of cloning midgets on my DSM web board .... You do not impress me.

[Roadside Prophet]

that mother fucker
god damn dsm owners
GOD DAMN THEM
DAMN THEM GOD
DO IT
SEND EM TO HELL

[UndergroundR32]

:cry:

[Roadside Prophet]

i need to go to bed



sorry for ruining another thread
i couldnt help myself










CLONE THE MIDGETS

[UndergroundR32]

I understand ::sniffle, sniffle::

[90_Civic_CX_Hatch]

I don't know if anybody said this already or not (i'm too lazy to read the whole topic) but my thoughts on the cloning humans/soul issue is this: I think that if we were to clone humans, they would be without a soul, and IMO that means they would be just like animals, living off their instincts...

And I Think Cloning Humans is Evil...Let God do his job, don't do it for him!

[EK_Hatchy]

fuck cloning hot dogs





FUCKING CLONE MIDGETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we could have a fucking army of them
OH MY GOD
im a king
everyone bow to me for thinking of cloning midgets
midgets would be a household thing

hahaha, you guys are outrageous! :lol: :lol: i don't know about hotdogs, do you know what their made out of?? maybe pizza, or hamburgers... :)

[CivicHB95]

fuck cloning hot dogs





FUCKING CLONE MIDGETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we could have a fucking army of them
OH MY GOD
im a king
everyone bow to me for thinking of cloning midgets
midgets would be a household thing

hahaha, you guys are outrageous! :lol: :lol: i don't know about hotdogs, do you know what their made out of?? maybe pizza, or hamburgers... :)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Personally body parts are ok, just not whole humans. That could lead to many bad things...