All motor 12's or turbocharged 11's in a Si [Archive]

RunninOnDuckSauce

12-16-2002, 10:52 PM

i have a friend who recently bought a 2000 Civic Si....mod wise he is thinking of all motor 12's (daily driven) and his second option is throwing his T3/T4 from his wrecked 2nd gen GSX and going for daily driven 11's, what do you guys think? is it possible....$50 says he goes back to DSM's :nod:

A F'n J

12-16-2002, 10:57 PM

maybe more like 13sec all motor daily driver or a 12 sec turbo daily driver.

RunninOnDuckSauce

12-16-2002, 11:16 PM

yeap...he shoulda just stayed faithful to DSM, he's bent on street driven 11's because his GSX was a daily driven 11 sec car

ElectronSi

12-17-2002, 12:31 AM

daily driven 11 seconds MY FUCKING ASS. 11 seconds is fast as fuck. i guess since it was awd its a maybe but im still callin bs. and its gonna take a shitload of money to get an Si into the 13's, let alone 11's or 12's.

clementine

12-17-2002, 12:39 AM

^ 11 seconds is fast yea, but not impossible. read up on some cars on the net, u hear about that shit alot. the daily driving cars u gotta watch out for.

ElectronSi

12-17-2002, 12:44 AM

^ 11 seconds is fast yea, but not impossible. read up on some cars on the net, u hear about that shit alot. the daily driving cars u gotta watch out for.

never said it was impossible moron, just said that i didnt think it was true that his friend had one :roll:

InfamousDX

12-17-2002, 03:38 AM

daily driven 11's is quite hard to come by these days but sure if he's got the money and the expertise on his side, then no sweat.

RunninOnDuckSauce

12-17-2002, 03:54 PM

a 11 second daily driven GSX isnt hard to come by if you know what you're doin...he ran a 11.3 at 126mph not even at full boost

sprayed

12-17-2002, 06:22 PM

what are the specs on that t3/t4. i can almost guarantee it will not get him into 11's

92blackteg

12-17-2002, 07:47 PM

my man has a daily drivin 12 sec hatch ...built wit a 150 shot ....but he did blow his motor at the track ...but hes got a new motor and is in the process of building it rite now ...and btw the motor he ran a 12 with was a sohc vtec ....

RedRexDX

12-17-2002, 10:00 PM

SOHC VTEC... heh... yea... i wish i had the money to make my d16z6 do that

InfamousDX

12-18-2002, 12:03 AM

what are the specs on that t3/t4. i can almost guarantee it will not get him into 11's

actually t3/t4's are flow efficient enough to get people into the 11's, but he was probably on some big boost. it's a whole nother story with DSM's.

sprayed

12-18-2002, 11:50 AM

yeah exactly. i dont think the t3/t4 he was using to propell his dsm into the 11's will do the same for the b16

92blackteg

12-18-2002, 03:24 PM

yeah exactly. i dont think the t3/t4 he was using to propell his dsm into the 11's will do the same for the b16like sprayed said ...also it takes less money to make a dsm an 11 sec car than it would for a honda ....and you would have to do alot more reinforceing so your motor just doesnt blow up on you after one run...my teacher galant vr4 turbo ran a 11.4 at english town and he said he even spent large amounts of time anf money to get that ...

RunninOnDuckSauce

12-19-2002, 11:58 PM

if the GVR4's are like the 3kGTVR4's then they're led sleds, so i could understand why it would take a lil more to get into the low 11's...but then again i dont think the GVR4's are as heavy...who knows....oh and his turbonetics t3/t4 wasnt a small unit...i think he was running anywhere from 14-17psi maybe more...but thats just my estimate, i wasnt at the track when he made that pass but saw the slip....but it wasnt just a turbo upgrade that got him into 11's neither

drunknbassdotcom

12-20-2002, 12:04 AM

id swap out the block and youll get yourself in the 12's. b20 vtecs run mid 12's if built right. and im not saying fully built, just built right.

HomeydaGRiceboy

12-20-2002, 12:54 PM

it's a whole nother story with DSM's.

YEah, DSM's are actually fast :nod:

Starscream

12-20-2002, 12:58 PM

DSMpower92 on here says he has an 11 sec 1st gen talon

InfamousDX

12-20-2002, 03:04 PM

gvr4's aren't as heavy as 3kgt's. not nearly.

HomeydaGRiceboy

12-20-2002, 09:02 PM

An 11 Second 1G is fairly simple, them motors love boost. It is possible to run a 12 flat with the stock 14B, upgrade to a 20G and run da proper fuel and it is so simple.

SSHORTY

12-20-2002, 09:16 PM

It still takes some cheese to go 11's on a DSM....my Galant VR4 should have been in the low 11's considering I has an FP Green huge fmic, vpc.s-afc built motor etc etc etc....but I put it together quickly and didn't take time on the little things, and sold it, it probably never ran an 11 second pass, but should have.....by the time I sold it, it wasn't making near the 500+hp it should have. However, GVR4's are waaaay slower than regular 1g's, a little heavier, and shaped like a box don't forget. As far as getting a DSM into the 11's, you'll need anything bigger than a small 16g, the fastest small 16g car, my friend chris, went low 11's, but everyone else really can't break into the 11's on one. A big 16g with all the goodies, and over 20psi should run high 11's if you know what your doing, otherwise 20g and up should have no problem running even high 11's all day long. But it does take some tuning and knowledge to get it there, and a stock turbo'ed dsm should run low 13's with basically no mods at all besides a fuel pump upgrade.

InfamousDX

12-21-2002, 01:59 AM

listen to this man. his car could have definitely been a force to be reckoned with. i just wish you got it running right.

HomeydaGRiceboy

12-22-2002, 05:50 PM

sprayed

12-23-2002, 11:35 PM

wtf..who would tune for 11sec on a narrowband

Spoolin

12-24-2002, 10:21 AM

Check out my brothers 11 second daily driven SI 2500lbs w/driver.

www.hondaraceengines.com/html/video_s.html

390 @ wheels
Look at his trap speed on the first video.

Adrenaline

12-24-2002, 01:17 PM

it's a whole nother story with DSM's.

YEah, DSM's are actually fast :nod:
Who in this room is really slow? I hate you fuckers, you sit around watching people having a conversation then, when you get the opportunity you say DSMs are better than hondas! or DSMs are fast, and the like, American muscle still beats the shit out of DSMs, so quit being a dick and acting like dsms are gods gift to the automotive community. Yes they are easier to make fast, who the fuck that screws around with stupid weakass import cars with 4 cyl EVER wants easy? isnt that the point? taking a slow thing and making it fast?

InfamousDX

12-24-2002, 02:17 PM

"To each his own."

HomeydaGRiceboy

12-24-2002, 02:54 PM

DSM's own plenty of V8's stock or with minor work, like a $5 boost controller, and with AWD they own domestics pretty easilly.

Adrenaline

12-24-2002, 04:45 PM

DSM's own plenty of V8's stock or with minor work, like a $5 boost controller, and with AWD they own domestics pretty easilly.
Ive beat a good bit of stock v8s too but as for dsm's owning domestics

OWN THIS!!!!!!!
http://members.directvinternet.com/~jcakers/pics/akers_wheelie.jpg

sprayed

12-24-2002, 04:57 PM

great vids spoolin, what was his et on the stock block?

homey i tought of you as very knowledgeable but every reply i read from you seems to get dumber. a $5 home depot boost controller is not all you would need to safely raise boost. what do you drive, i dont mean this as a smart comment, i would really like to see your car, knowledge cannot all be attained by reading. the most valuable is by experince

InfamousDX

12-24-2002, 05:34 PM

i think he was just exaggerating the ease it takes DSM's to get real fast. and as for "own this," wheelies like that show power, but they don't do much for launches. jeff hill's dsm woulda been out and about on him in a hurry. STREET LEGAL, with valid registration and all, 9 second street tire DSM. then again, there are a bunch of street legal domestics i'm sure. let's not turn this thread into a X vs. Y argument.

sprayed

12-24-2002, 05:51 PM

bonnie5ive

12-25-2002, 11:42 AM

Well...I was supposed to take my car back down to Jotech this weekend but we're doing Christmas stuff this Saturday with my family from out of town so I'll have to take it this next week(January 4th). I think my block should be done by then. It's fully built so I should be able to throw some some decent amounts of boost through it. I hope to get into the 12's and if not, I'm going to be really pissed. I'll be swapping my turbo out later but for now I've just got the Greddy 18G on there. Before you all talk crap about it...I'll be getting something different so save your breath. I guess I'll give everyone a 1/4 time in about a month or so when my new block is swapped out and she's running well and everything. DSM's are fast. If I had put as much money into a 1G Talon as my '92 hatch, I'd be so insanely fast it makes me mad. I love my car though and hope it's worth it when she's done. I'll maybe get pics up too. I've got the digital camera, I just don't know how to get them on here...

InfamousDX

12-25-2002, 12:58 PM

9's on drag radials? by street legal you mean full interior, glass windows, etc right? thats crazy fw will never get there. best i've heard is jason's 9sec street driven crx no wheelie bars but that wasnt on radials

yea check out www.turbotrix.com . based out of the town right over from me... interesting when i found out there was a hard core tuning shop in the suburbs.

HomeydaGRiceboy

12-25-2002, 01:12 PM

Ive beat a good bit of stock v8s too but as for dsm's owning domestics

OWN THIS!!!!!!!

What teh hell is dat supposed to mean, so know i can get a Pic of a top fuel dragster wit a NAWZZZZZZZZZ STicker on da side and shout...

OWN DIS HOMEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and so on?

I was mearly claiming da ease of getting DSM's to run very hard and beat cars it has no business standing next to. Mod for Mod DSM's own most cars out der, and dey make their kills within da 60 foot time, very good for street kills, and fairly simple to get 11 out of, and Yes A $5 boost controller is proper way to add boost, but whit intake and exhaust and a fuel pump you can. Dey all do da same thing, some better den others, but all bypass da waSTEgate untill sufficient boost pressure is reached and den dey open da wastegate, you can make one whit a T-Fitting at Homedepot and it is da same thing.

Check out da Joe P MBC, Home depot, has run 9's, Not bad for $5, Ehhhh??[/quote]

Adrenaline

12-25-2002, 09:12 PM

Im sure with that one single mod he runs 9's. Any dsm needs one mod to run 9's uhhuh.

BigRedMonkey

12-25-2002, 09:45 PM

I haven't heard of any dsms in the pro sport compact scene lately... maybe I'll buy one and pay homey $20 to get me into the 9s

InfamousDX

12-25-2002, 11:27 PM

blkcivicsi99

12-26-2002, 03:00 AM

11 sec :lol:

SSHORTY

12-26-2002, 09:57 PM

It is all in the tuning with DSM's Der are homies running a 12 flat on race gas with a 14B, If you get good tyming and little knock you'll make gobs of power. Small 16G's can run 11's on race gas if you tune 02 Volts to .88 at WOT at the track, it is safe and all in the 60 foot time. You need to upgrade the fuel sustem to handle it properly, with proiper fuel delivery, anthing is possible.

.88 is waaaay rich....with race gas i was in the low .7's in my galant vr4, and never had a problem with running too lean...learn ur dsm shit dude. and 12 flat on a 14b is nearly impossible....the two fastest 14b cars i have heard of were 12.14 and 12.27, and i havn't heard of anyone running 12.0, and its not easy to get in the 11's on a small 16g, you really need to know your tuning and how to drive to do that. And even those who do, still have trouble. The fastest small 16g car is my friend chris, and he ran a low 11 second pass with crazy mods to the motor to make it go that fast, he still holds the small 16g record, most people don't run fast than a 12.2 or so with a small 16g, and when he went to a 20g, the car went slower, so learn ur dsm shit before u start saying stuff like its nothin.

SSHORTY

12-26-2002, 10:00 PM

Im sure with that one single mod he runs 9's. Any dsm needs one mod to run 9's uhhuh.

don't make it into a stupid technicality war. he meant... a car has run 9's with THIS boost controller. all my friends dsm's have it, the joe p mbc. it's awesome and looks like shit. i believe it's $50 however, just to correct homey.

The TurboXS Boost controller is waaay better, we all use the HPMBC (High Performance Manual Boost Controller) or the HPDSMBC (High Performance Dual Stage Manual Boost Controller), that's a mouth full huh? lol.....in any case, it seems that all of us (my closer friends), and my customers are big fans of Turbo XS's products especially their boost controllers, I like their bov's too, but it took a while, since we were the DSM guinny pigs for their BOV's back in the day.

InfamousDX

12-27-2002, 02:19 AM

oh the turbo xs dual stage manual boost controller (as i called it) is awesome. low/high boost in the flip of a switch. and no spikes or anything. i love their BOV, the type h-rfl...

boosted92

12-27-2002, 07:53 PM

^ 11 seconds is fast yea, but not impossible. read up on some cars on the net, u hear about that shit alot. the daily driving cars u gotta watch out for.

If by daily driver you mean something that runs on 120 octane and E/T streets all the time, then sure. In reality, a boosted import that runs 11's in strip trim (Slicks + race gas + weight removal) is more like a 12 or even 13 second car on normal old 91 or 93 octane and street radials.

sprayed

12-30-2002, 09:59 PM

oh the turbo xs dual stage manual boost controller (as i called it) is awesome. low/high boost in the flip of a switch. and no spikes or anything. i love their BOV, the type h-rfl...

yeah thats what i have. real-fucking-loud, lol. some people dont like it since its the loudest on the market (110dB@10-25psi) but my turbo doesnt spool until 3500-4000rpm so its wont build enought pressure to blow off when im just driving

about those manual boost controllers, they are a nice cheap alternative but they still allow the wg to open prematurely since a spring compresses progressively not all at once. a solenoid (EBC), will not let out any pressure until it hits the preset boost level so that ='s faster spool up

HomeydaGRiceboy

12-31-2002, 12:22 PM

Im sure with that one single mod he runs 9's. Any dsm needs one mod to run 9's uhhuh

Your a dumbass, never speak again.

Porting a DSM head and adding cams will work wonders on a DSM, also lower da Temps so you can run dat Bitch harder, I know some homeys who Ported der head and put in 264/272 HKS Bump STicks and netted a 60WHP gain.

Again it is all in da tuning, and on race gas a DSM can make serious HP when tuned properly, also on pump, but you are limited to D amount of boost ran, Highest boost pressure I know of on Pump GAS is 25PSI but dat homey had a STand Alone, most of da Time 20PSI is da limit.

a 14B flows 380CFM's, yet a SMall 16G flows 505, if you iz runnin a 12.2 whit da 14b, proper tuning on dat setup whit a 16G should net high 11's, and if all else, fails, get a 20G :bigwink: